Homecoming Dance Comes to Grind

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Tipp City’s Homecoming Dance last night turned into a fracas in the parking lot and later house parties across town as students attending the dance report that ~120 students were asked to leave the dance due to inappropriate attire or dancing infractions.
Students who participated in the grind dancing were asked to leave by Principal Chuck Wray and other school officials.
Some students who claim to have not participated in the grind-dancing, were also asked to leave.

Unlike the “face to face with separation” dancing of the 50’s and 60’s, grind dancing is more akin to a lap dance with clothing on.

Update 12:45pm – Principal Chuck Wray sent out a One Call Now stating that there were several communications to students that any student caught inappropriately dancing will be kicked out of the dance.
After 40 students were ejected, one student in the center of the dance floor yelled “that’s it! We’re out of here!” which emptied about 80% of the students outside.
Principal Wray invites parents to chaperone future dances, and requests that parents find out if your student was ejected or left with the crowd.

Update: 4:00pm – Official Press Release from Tipp City Schools

Update: 7:00pm – Interview with Dr. John Kronour (regarding the 2010 Homecoming dance)

183 COMMENTS

  1. I applaud Mr. Wray for finally standing up and doing the right thing at this dance! Personally I am shocked at how some of the parents in this town allow their daughters to leave their home in dresses barely covering their rear ends and so tight that it leaves nothing to the imagination!! I hope these are not the same parents who will voluteer to chaparone the future dances.

    • You have to learn how to live life. We are young, we don't grow up the same way as all of you. We are in quite the different era and what we are exposed to everyday is a lot of sexual ads referencing horrid stuff. Our exposure to technology also increases our exposure making it nearly impossible for us to escape said ads. I understand there are some people who push it too far, but that's no reason to punish all of us. It's how we have fun. Live life, love life, have fun, but don't deprive us of ours.

  2. we will govern ourselves. we will do what we want. if they want rules, we will leave and go do it anyway. just like we did. you are not preventing it. simply transporting it. besides, in the last two hours of the dance, the teachers just gave up and left anyway. then we actually had fun. concerned parent? we can not be governed. the parties at other people's houses during homecoming were amazing. i wish i would've went straight there. homecoming at school was a joke. besides, how do you expect us to dance to rape music. wake up.

          • I'm confused, first you say that you want to dance how you want and ask how you're "supposed to dance to rape music" and then you say that it's "music that is made for dirty dancing" which I assume is the kind of dancing that you want? Putting aside your contraction, I just wonder why you would want to be in any way associated with a type of music that could even be suggested as relating to "rape." Do you even realize what that word really means? The pain that it's caused people? Is that what you're really after with this sort of dancing because, to me at least, that's what your comments are implying. Don't come home crying when you get hurt…

          • the reason i labeled it rape music, was to point out that the music that was chosen was music that instilled the dancing that they tried to prevent. it was a very defensive choice of words. im sorry if i have unknowingly disrespected you or anything you have been through.

          • You would've done the same dance to any upbeat song. The dances I attended during my high school years had people grinding to any thing that wasn't meant for a slow dance.

    • "we will govern ourselves"? "we will do what we want"? "we cannot be governed"? You've been watching way too many movies from the 60's. When you get old enough to take care of yourself w/out asking mommy and daddy for food, clothing and your bottle then maybe you'll be able to truly say "we will do what we want". You make me laugh little boy!

      • i love how you call him a littleboy, when your name, is off of a really childish movie. to the point that you are telling him he's been watching too many movies from the sixties, well obviously you watch too many movies now, and not enough from then, cuz if you had, you'd know that movies made then, had way better standing over the ones made now. i'm imagining a fat ass sitting in a bean bag chair eating cheetos.

    • School is not a democracy….! It's apparent, by your writing skills you haven't learned much at school. I don't think we need to go back fifty years but if the school officials decided that style of dancing was innappropriate and the students were warned, then there really isn't anything to complain about. My son, who was not one that was asked to leave said, it was basically kids haveing sex on the dance floor with clothes on. If the girls want to lower themselves to that level then take it to the nearest strip club.
      As far as what we expect, dancing to RAPE music kind of sums it up doesn't it.

  3. I can't stand all the typos. oh yeah, and a lap dance with clothing on? I've never heard of a naked lap dance. "HomeDumbing" summed up how we feel. great job, dude.

  4. haha. someone actually thought i was a different person that time. i even agreed with myself. I mean, come on "parents".

  5. I dropped my child off at a school function. If he was ask to leave I should have been called. If the kids were dancing inappropriately they should have been removed from the gym but not sat on the curb. The all call should have come to us last night saying "several students have been kicked out of the dance and several have left volunteerly, please check with your child to see if they need a ride home and/or are somewhere safe." The call only came when the school realized they did not handle the situation appropriately. Mr. Wray lost control of this SCHOOL FUNCTION!!!!! This is not the first time this has happened, so all of you above that say you are glad he took control, did he really?

    • he did not take control. but, in his defense, if a student has the right to leave voluntarily without a call home, then anyone can. in my opinion, neither him or the parents should take over. whose dance is it anyway? shouldn't the STUDENT SENATE do something?

      • I'm part of the senate and it wasn't our call throwing people out nor letting over half the attendence leave. We spent 6 hours minimum setting up for the dance and another 2 or 3 taking it down. We didn't want it to go down this way but it's not job to pick out the chapherones(probably misspelled that). Just the opinion of one representative

  6. Next year you guys dont have to worry about all of this! We've already decided (students & most parents) that the easiest way to go is to just rent out a room and throw our own 'Homecoming' we'll handle it;) so for all of you concerned parents, have fun letting your kids high school years go down the drain, for School dances are mearly just a joke! We arent gunna let you ruin this for us, nice try though:)

  7. i feel like people are fuckin stupid. just becuz we actually like to feel another persons body on our own rather than the giant gap that is "appropriate" doesn't mean the dancing IS inappropriate. it just means the people who actually chapperone need to lighten the hell up.

    • I am upset as well. U are not helping yourself by cussing, etc. You just make yourself seem trashy and classless like the adults are telling everyone you are. If you want to get things changed then make business and respectful and grown up comments. This makes you seem immature. I am a grown up and am on your side so help me out here.

    • I am upset as well. U are not helping yourself by cussing, etc. You just make yourself seem trashy and classless like the adults are telling everyone you are. If you want to get things changed then make business and respectful and grown up comments. This makes you seem immature. I am a grown up and am on your side so help me out here.

  8. i just want to say that i love the picture they have. first of the kids in the picture are about 8 years old! we are in highschool… and its in black and white…. this is the 21 generation, not the "50s or 60s". over the years, dancing is going to change, so you would be better off if you just get used to that now and let us be. and also…grinding? did they seriously compare that to a lapdance?? ya thats totally wrong.

    • "did they seriously compare that to a lapdance??"

      No. They compared it to a lapdance with clothes on. It's okay though, reading is really hard.

    • i have this feeling you've never actually seen a lap dance…it's pretty much exactly the same thing as grinding…i'm not disagreeing with what you are saying though. you make a good point.

  9. As a senior I'm very disappointed with how our last homecoming ever went. Everyone needs to calm down and just accept that different generations dance differently. The way that we dance in our minds is no different than the way our parents danced when they were our age to them. I know a number of my friends were kicked out when they were not doing anything inappropriate. When one of my friends simply asked how else we were supposed to dance he was told by Mr. Wray "If you don't know how to dnace then you can leave." All I can say is some of us seniors are 18 years old. Don't treat us like we are children. You don't like how we dance? Fine, we will just do what we did last night and find another place where we can dance however we please.

  10. As a senior I’m very disappointed with how our last homecoming ever went. Everyone needs to calm down and just accept that different generations dance differently. The way that we dance in our minds is no different than the way our parents danced when they were our age to them. I know a number of my friends were kicked out when they were not doing anything inappropriate. When one of my friends simply asked how else we were supposed to dance he was told by Mr. Wray “If you don’t know how to dnace then you can leave.” All I can say is some of us seniors are 18 years old. Don’t treat us like we are children. You don’t like how we dance? Fine, we will just do what we did last night and find another place where we can dance however we please.

  11. This is how our generations dance now, we aren't from the 70's or any other era where dancing was standing a foot apart. Dance will always continue to change and you can't prevent people from doing what they want, it's called free will. No one was getting hurt by this and nothing major was happening, this was simply an overreaction which ruined the night for many. As for how people dress, that lies with the parents and their judgement. Dances are meant to be places where you can have fun not drama. If you can't stand how children dance, then don't host a school dance.

  12. The girls decide what goes on — how they dress will give the boys a clue. Girls rule , always have , always will — boys are feebs lol.

  13. Can someone explain how (1) student can yell out in the middle of a dance floor of 400+ students and influence them to leave? Yet out of all the school officials there — the adult supervision we are trusting to lead and guide our children — can not have any influence what-so-ever? Is this a joke? Are you telling me that collectively out of all of the school officials at the dance they did not have more control over 400+ students than 1 kid yelling out his/her opinion on the dance floor? Sorry, but something here is not adding up!!!! I don't think we have heard the full story here. What a terrible experience, especially for Freshmen!!!! I'm sure they can hardly wait til next year . . . Guess the school will just need to pass a new levy since they won't be making it in Homecoming ticket sales.

    • if this is a parent, thank you for not being blinded and ignorant. you set a great example for the rest of the parents here. i was there,… and no, it wasn't one person. mr. wray made a little speech about how he was about to kick people out for dirty dancing, and altogether the students as a whole felt targeted and enraged. they moved out into the parking lot to avoid him.

      • It is not the job of the Administrators to "control" the student body. They should be taught "SELF CONTROL" by their PARENTS!

      • It is not the job of the Administrators to “control” the student body. They should be taught “SELF CONTROL” by their PARENTS!

    • I think it shows that none of the students have any respect for anyone at all most likely because their parents never taught it to them. As a parent you are the biggest influence and the number one example to your children its not a problem with the school its a problem with the relationship between these students and their parents. Also I don't know where people are getting the idea that the school gets a bunch of money from the dances. The money goes towards the dance which is organized by students.

    • I think it shows that none of the students have any respect for anyone at all most likely because their parents never taught it to them. As a parent you are the biggest influence and the number one example to your children its not a problem with the school its a problem with the relationship between these students and their parents. Also I don’t know where people are getting the idea that the school gets a bunch of money from the dances. The money goes towards the dance which is organized by students.

    • I think it shows that none of the students have any respect for anyone at all most likely because their parents never taught it to them. As a parent you are the biggest influence and the number one example to your children its not a problem with the school its a problem with the relationship between these students and their parents. Also I don’t know where people are getting the idea that the school gets a bunch of money from the dances. The money goes towards the dance which is organized by students.

    • I think it shows that none of the students have any respect for anyone at all most likely because their parents never taught it to them. As a parent you are the biggest influence and the number one example to your children its not a problem with the school its a problem with the relationship between these students and their parents. Also I don’t know where people are getting the idea that the school gets a bunch of money from the dances. The money goes towards the dance which is organized by students.

  14. Just throwing this out there, you act as if we are bad children. Yet when it comes to are teacher act as if they were golden children, and never got in trouble. Parents look down on us forget you people. I'm 110% you've done something wrong.

  15. Just throwing this out there, you act as if we are bad children. Yet when it comes to are teacher act as if they were golden children, and never got in trouble. Parents look down on us forget you people. I’m 110% you’ve done something wrong.

  16. There is no way that he could have prevented the "grind dancing" when you play music that the students like, when the only kid of dancing to that type of music is grinding. Chuck had no way to control it when that type of dancing was popular way before that class. Chuck is just as much to blame for hiring a dj to play the music as kick out students for the manner in which they dance. Wray needs to decision weather he wants to be the cool popular and up to date principle, or the stern rule enforcing man that does not make exceptions for star athletes and social groups.

  17. this was by far the worst dance ever… we wernt dancing any different than the several past years!!!… its not like were having sex on the dance floor… and for the people that werent grinding and still got kicked out… thats pretty rediculous… way to ruin what was supposed to be the sweetest dance ever… and yea mr wray didnt know how to handle it… and didnt know what to say about the hole thing of kicking out everyone and ruining the dance so he had to think about what he was going to say to all the parents… who some maybe didnt even find out untill today when they got the call!!! this dance was the worst… and i imagine how mad the student senate and mrs bishop is after so much effort and time put into it for it all to end up the way it did

  18. The problem will be handled but not by holding an alternative homecoming because it will not end well. If we break rules out of school we won't be getting detentions. We can get our way but we can't just be full out rebelion. That's more of a last resort

    • How will in not end well? Elaborate. Give examples as to how this is a bad idea. It's a party, everyone has parties, you can't hold us back from having fun at a party.

  19. Okay, what do the teachers expect us to dance like when they play music with lyrics that say "drop it to the floor like you got it" ? We're kids. It's not like we're humping eachother on the dance floor. It's just how we dance now. Just like how parents used to dance in wierd ways when they went to high school.
    I was asked to leave to dance room while swaying my hips side-to-side and was told that even THAT was too innapropriate. And what are parental guardians going to do? All they can do is tell us to knock it off and as soon as they turn around, we'll go right back to doing it.
    I feel like I wasted about one hundred and fifty dollars just to be told how we dance is innapropriate. The teachers need to get over it. We dance way worse than that last year at turnabout and we heard nothing about it.
    This whole situation was unnecassary.

  20. OH Tipp City always has to take it to the extreme might as well change the school to a catholic school because thats where it looks like it is heading

  21. i dont understand home come now they are inforcing the non grinding when it has been going on for 10 years and and i was there and it got to the point if anyone was touching basically was asked to leave if they want us not to be so close then open the whole gym up not just half of it then we can have more room to dance and lets just say it wasnt even as bad as it has been in the past its not like past dances when ppl were having sex on the dance floor

  22. i dont understand home come now they are inforcing the non grinding when it has been going on for 10 years and and i was there and it got to the point if anyone was touching basically was asked to leave if they want us not to be so close then open the whole gym up not just half of it then we can have more room to dance and lets just say it wasnt even as bad as it has been in the past its not like past dances when ppl were having sex on the dance floor

  23. i dont understand home come now they are inforcing the non grinding when it has been going on for 10 years and and i was there and it got to the point if anyone was touching basically was asked to leave if they want us not to be so close then open the whole gym up not just half of it then we can have more room to dance and lets just say it wasnt even as bad as it has been in the past its not like past dances when ppl were having sex on the dance floor

  24. i dont understand home come now they are inforcing the non grinding when it has been going on for 10 years and and i was there and it got to the point if anyone was touching basically was asked to leave if they want us not to be so close then open the whole gym up not just half of it then we can have more room to dance and lets just say it wasnt even as bad as it has been in the past its not like past dances when ppl were having sex on the dance floor

  25. The scariest thing about this is that in reading these posts, it is pretty clear that everyone here should be more concerned about learning–like how to write, in particular. Maybe getting an education should take priority over dances, grinding, and lap-dancing. It is pretty clear that there is something amiss when high school students and/or their parents cannot write a post that is even halfway intelligible. How you dress and how you dance is more a case of having a sense of respect for yourselves and others. What you do in private or with close friends is one thing. The way that you conduct yourself in public will eventually come back to haunt you. You don't care now, but someday you will. If you want to be treated like an adult than act like one. Get a job, pay your own bills, quit sponging off of mom and dad, quit being a bunch of spoiled brats who think that the world owes you something, and just get over it.

  26. I agree about the music. That was irresponsable – the teachers shouldn't have played innappropriate music period – let alone expect students not to "try" to dance to it. Let's face it – there's alot of good music out there that is fun, and can be danced too – that's not inappropriate.
    School dances are supposed to be a safe, fun activity for students. I think students, school staff, & parents should & could do some planning to make it so.

  27. I love how the teachers and Mr. Wray asked these students to leave because they were "grinding" on the dance floor. When they left what do you think these kids did? I will tell you what they did, they went to parties and were "grinding" on a couch or a bed somewhere. They probably also didn't have on those "dresses" all you parents are so concerned about. Give me a break, the school officials really dropped the ball on this one and I'm willing to bet next years homecoming has a terrible turn out.

    • Why can't kids learn to follow the rules at a school function? If their parents let them grind at home, so be it, but it is NOT appropriate in public. Generation gap or not, some things are not done in public and kids need to learn to follow rules at the place where they are. I don't know the full story, but I know that kids these days think they own the world and they need to learn otherwise. I do know they were warned several times. They all have cell phones, so they could have used those to call their parents. I think the whole thing is just a shame. And to have your own dance elsewhere is just teaching kids to continue to skirt the rules rather than learn that some rules have to be followed whether you like it or not.

      • Do you know for sure they all had cell phones? The girls were kicked out without their shoes and purses. The cell phones were in their purses and the kids that were leaving brought them out. Once again, a comment from someone who don't know what they are talking about.

      • really? i mean really? do you really expect teenagers to follow the rules? we won't. all there is to it. i'm assuming you are not a teenager. but you were at one time. did you follow all the rules?
        i doubt it. and if you did, i'm sure your life was rather monotonous. don't judge us because we want to have fun rather than be bored all the time.

    • Most of these children had cell phones or had friends with cell phones. Why didnt they call their parents to let them know they were kicked out of the dance or left the dance? So know one can use the excuse of not knowing were your child was, once they left the school. If your raising your children to be responcable then they should of called you, if not then thats between the child and parent not the principals problem.

    • I totally agree! We encourage our children to express themselves, but when it is done through dance, it is considered inappropriate and the teens are belittled for their actions. I would MUCH rather my child be at a well supervised school function, dancing inappropriately, than to be making out in the backseat of a car or hanging out down by the river bank unsupervised! Most of the kids have a curfew in which they would have attended the dance until just prior to. Actions of administration left the kids unsupervised for a couple of hours.

      Administration charged the kids to attend, this is a costly event for parents with additional expense of attire, flowers and dinner. At many schools, this is a formal event, just as prom. Administration does not care about any of that because they collected their money. I feel that the actions of school officials has created more negative publicity around Tipp and forced our children into unsupervised enviroments. They are teenagers…… did you really think that they were going to go straight home, when their curfew wasn’t set for a couple of more hours?!?!?!?

      ‘Dirty dance’ or ‘Grinding’ has been around for decades! And perhaps faculty should have choosen more suitable music. Why were they playing ‘grinding’ music if they didn’t want the students dancing inappropriately? Would you play latin music and expect a dancer to not salsa?

      • If they had selected different music then all the parents like you would still be here complaining about the school not letting your children listen to the music they want to. Just like if the school had held the students they asked to leave in a classroom and called their parents to come sign for their release the parents would be complaining about how they had to stop what they were doing and go take care of their child for once. Outside of Tipp City the world is not a perfect place get used to it.

      • If they had selected different music then all the parents like you would still be here complaining about the school not letting your children listen to the music they want to. Just like if the school had held the students they asked to leave in a classroom and called their parents to come sign for their release the parents would be complaining about how they had to stop what they were doing and go take care of their child for once. Outside of Tipp City the world is not a perfect place get used to it.

      • If they had selected different music then all the parents like you would still be here complaining about the school not letting your children listen to the music they want to. Just like if the school had held the students they asked to leave in a classroom and called their parents to come sign for their release the parents would be complaining about how they had to stop what they were doing and go take care of their child for once. Outside of Tipp City the world is not a perfect place get used to it.

      • If they had selected different music then all the parents like you would still be here complaining about the school not letting your children listen to the music they want to. Just like if the school had held the students they asked to leave in a classroom and called their parents to come sign for their release the parents would be complaining about how they had to stop what they were doing and go take care of their child for once. Outside of Tipp City the world is not a perfect place get used to it.

    • I totally agree! We encourage our children to express themselves, but when it is done through dance, it is considered inappropriate and the teens are belittled for their actions. I would MUCH rather my child be at a well supervised school function, dancing inappropriately, than to be making out in the backseat of a car or hanging out down by the river bank unsupervised! Most of the kids have a curfew in which they would have attended the dance until just prior to. Actions of administration left the kids unsupervised for a couple of hours.

      Administration charged the kids to attend, this is a costly event for parents with additional expense of attire, flowers and dinner. At many schools, this is a formal event, just as prom. Administration does not care about any of that because they collected their money. I feel that the actions of school officials has created more negative publicity around Tipp and forced our children into unsupervised enviroments. They are teenagers…… did you really think that they were going to go straight home, when their curfew wasn't set for a couple of more hours?!?!?!?

      'Dirty dance' or 'Grinding' has been around for decades! And perhaps faculty should have choosen more suitable music. Why were they playing 'grinding' music if they didn't want the students dancing inappropriately? Would you play latin music and expect a dancer to not salsa?

    • After talking about the homecoming dance to my child afterschool on Monday I learned a few things. For one, the teachers talked about the homecoming dance all day and got zero work done at school. One female teacher told the class that she was embaressed to tell people that she worked at Tipp Schools……,Really?…..then quit!! There are about 200 people waiting to take your job. If our students are such a humiliation to you, then leave!!! Another male teacher told the class that all the teachers call the turnabout dance the "skank dance"….WOW!! First of all it's interesting to know how these teachers feel about our kids and it's even more interesting to know that they are telling our kids about it during class. Mr. Wray, get a grip on your staff. You're so worried about the students "grinding", you have no idea what the teachers are doing and saying!!

  28. This school district is out of control. They ask us parent for more and more money each year. They want a new sports complex. Why would any of us parents vote to have taxes of any kind raised for a new sports complex to make the administrators look good. Yes and before some smart ass comes back and says "its for the children" is it really. I moved to this district because I thought it had class but what I am finding out is the administrators have no control over anything. Besides what happened Saturday this administration needs to take a look at themselves. Did anyone know a joint was found in the boys restroom during clean up yesterday? You kick the kids out of a dance for what your interpretation is of "dirting dancing" thank god my child had a safe place to go. Did this administration ever think about what they were doing by sending children out the door. Maybe they try to walk home and get grabbed, maybe they go to the car and smoke a joint and get into a car wreck, and maybe they go have sex in their cars because now YOU just gave them an extra hour to do whatever they want because the administration didn't take action to let the parents know what was going on until the next day. I think the money that was made on this dance should be used as reimbursement to every parent. Total amount funds divided by the number of tickets sold and a check written to each childs parents that attended that dance or better yet I have not heard one positive thing about Mr. Wray or Mr. Honeycutt since I moved to this district – may they should fired at the very least they should be displined and made apoligize "publicly" to the parents and students. What makes a principle think he can lay his hands on a student when it is a state law that you can not paddle. A tap on the shoulder would have been more appropriate. I have one last statement and then I am done with blog, teachers at Tipp bully our children every day and get by with it, some of them dress like whores and get by with it, why isn't the administration taking care of that.

    • Why is it that some parents seem to think that everyone else should be responsible for the health and well-being of THEIR children? Do you think for one minute that any of these kids really did things that they WOULDN'T have done anyway… just because they were sent out this dance early? Maybe parents should spend a little more time with their kids… teaching them things like manners, responsibility, respect… and a little less time BUYING them things. This entire blog is just one notch above a really bad (or some may consider it good) Jerry Springer show.

    • Why is it that some parents seem to think that everyone else should be responsible for the health and well-being of THEIR children? Do you think for one minute that any of these kids really did things that they WOULDN’T have done anyway… just because they were sent out this dance early? Maybe parents should spend a little more time with their kids… teaching them things like manners, responsibility, respect… and a little less time BUYING them things. This entire blog is just one notch above a really bad (or some may consider it good) Jerry Springer show.

      • I guess your talking about yourself because I do spent time with my child and I do teach right from wrong. My statement was in general. If a joint was found in the boys restroom then maybe it was your sons. Take that to Jerry Springer

        • Dear Madparent-
          I would like to apologize for "replying" to your post instead of creating a new one. My comments were not directed at you specifically but were the result of this nonsense as a whole. For all I know… for all you know… we might be friends… we could have went to school together? So for that… I'm sorry.

          However, that does not change my viewpoint on much of what I see being posted here regarding this whole matter. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It would be nice to see people voice those opinions with a bit more decorum and respect for one another. It is far easier to point fingers… than it is to look in the mirror. And again… Madmother… this is not directed at you.

      • When Mr. Wray & Mr. Honeycutt decided to be teachers/school administrators, they agreed to be responsible for other peoples children while they were at any kind of school function. It was very irresponsible for them to send those kids out of the school to move on to another party. I overheard one student telling (pretty graphically) about a couple having sex right in front of everyone at a party they attended after being expelled from the dance. If they had taken the students that were sent home to a classroom & called each parent to come and pick up their child, that would have been a responsible way to handle the situation. Sending them out to 'grind' elsewhere was VERY IRRESPONSIBLE. I do not agree with Madparent, but I do think someone should have thought this through BEFORE the dance instead of suffering through all of the conjecture afterward. I am neither a parent nor a student, just an unbiased observer.

        • I was not trying to imply that all adults that participate in kids lives (aside from parents) should be absolved of ANY or ALL responsibility. I just do not think that they should be held completely responsible. The ultimate responsibility for a child lies with the parents. Should the administrators handled the situation differently? Probably. But hindsight is always 20/20. And thankfully, no one was injured or harmed in any way. I vividly remember being this age. If we were inclined to do something… there was really nothing to stop us from figuring out a way to do it. This does not mean we were bad kids… it is just kind of the nature of being that age. Teenagers were and are being just that… teenagers. Testing boundaries… experimenting. Should this be of concern to parents? Of course it should be. But all the supervision in the world will not stop all forms of behavior. All that you can hope is that kids have been raised in such a way that they have a strong moral compass to help them through.

    • Let me be the first to say something positive about Mr. Wray then- I think he is an excellent administrator and that he really cares for the kids. I don't agree with your comments and I think you're slightly out of control. You're very accusatory and off topic. I hope maybe you've calmed down now and will have some perspective about this situation.

  29. This school district is out of control. They ask us parent for more and more money each year. They want a new sports complex. Why would any of us parents vote to have taxes of any kind raised for a new sports complex to make the administrators look good. Yes and before some smart ass comes back and says “its for the children” is it really. I moved to this district because I thought it had class but what I am finding out is the administrators have no control over anything. Besides what happened Saturday this administration needs to take a look at themselves. Did anyone know a joint was found in the boys restroom during clean up yesterday? You kick the kids out of a dance for what your interpretation is of “dirting dancing” thank god my child had a safe place to go. Did this administration ever think about what they were doing by sending children out the door. Maybe they try to walk home and get grabbed, maybe they go to the car and smoke a joint and get into a car wreck, and maybe they go have sex in their cars because now YOU just gave them an extra hour to do whatever they want because the administration didn’t take action to let the parents know what was going on until the next day. I think the money that was made on this dance should be used as reimbursement to every parent. Total amount funds divided by the number of tickets sold and a check written to each childs parents that attended that dance or better yet I have not heard one positive thing about Mr. Wray or Mr. Honeycutt since I moved to this district – may they should fired at the very least they should be displined and made apoligize “publicly” to the parents and students. What makes a principle think he can lay his hands on a student when it is a state law that you can not paddle. A tap on the shoulder would have been more appropriate. I have one last statement and then I am done with blog, teachers at Tipp bully our children every day and get by with it, some of them dress like whores and get by with it, why isn’t the administration taking care of that.

  30. When is it ok for students to be grinding on the dance floor? The school is not a nightclub. It's no wonder why everyone looks down on Tipp because the whole community raises nothing but a bunch of sissies. The parents in Tipp (in general) are so overprotective of their children. It sounds like the students were told all week about the rules and then were told at the dance itself. Parents, why is this so hard to understand? If your kid broke the rules, they pay the consequences. Who is going to protect them when they leave home and move outside the bubble of Tipp City? Get a grip on life. You are raising a generation of mamby pamby sissies.

    • This is a completely idiotic statement that you just commented… Any facts or strong beliefs that you came across with immediately get thrown out the window when you call the student body "sissies" and "mamby pamby sissies". These are kids, kids make mistakes. Also, not everyone "looks down on Tipp". Tipp City is an excellent community to raise kids, the state of Ohio at least thinks so giving it multiple years with ratings of Excellent, and better prepares kids to attend college than most area schools I've seen. And I'm sorry but its not the "golden age" anymore times have changed, styles of dancing have changed. Granted, I'm sure that some students were dancing more inappropriately than should be allowed at a high school dance, but when I attended Homecoming, most of the students were grinding and nobody got kicked out. And how does breaking the rules make a student body a bunch of sissies? I'm sorry but I think maybe you should try and be a little more professional with your blogging if you want someone to take your comments seriously.

    • ok well were in high schol lady and if we wanna dance bad get over it and no its not a nightclubbut turn about was badd tooand they diddnt say any thing why now when it started last year?????

    • ok well tell ur milton kids to grow some teeth alright and we will keep dancing like we wont to and there will be no turnabout but it will be held in a parn

    • ok well tell ur milton kids to grow some teeth alright and we will keep dancing like we wont to and there will be no turnabout but it will be held in a parn

  31. You all seem to be very rude and naive children! Someone needs to teach you what respect means! Some day when you do leave the little bubble of Tipp City, you will be in for a rude awakening! There are many more important things in life than your hormones and irresponsible thinking/ways. When and if you do grow up, maybe then you will understand how to respect someone! I think Tipp City as a whole needs to set higher standards for our children. We seem to be failing them, and its very scary for those of us that have young children yet to get to school! Parents, its time to stop being your child's best friend, start taking some blame for their actions, and start disciplining them for their horrible behavior! I mean it is your job… YOU ARE THEIR PARENTS!

    • Unfortunately inappropriate dancing is very subjective to the person performing or watching it. I have talked to at least 25 of the students who were asked to leave the dance and most of them have no idea what they did wrong. I have seen examples and video of what they were doing when asked to leave and in my opinion it was not inappropriate. Maybe administrators should have definied what inappropriate dancing was before they inforced rules that most students did not understand.

      I do not promote vulgar, sexual or classless behavior, especially dancing but we do need to remember even the most conservative dancing does involve moving the body in a rythmic swaying manner and to some extremely old fashioned people it could be construed as "inappropriate" in their opinion. In mine and the majority of Tipp City parents think it is appropriate.

      Tipp City does hold much much higher standards than the other school districts out there that is why we had this problem. Go to some of the dances in other school districts and see what you get. We have good parents here who take the time to volunteer, educate and yes discipline their children. That is why our kids grow up to be so successful, respectful citizens.

      We never seem to have any problems at the prom which is held off of school grounds where the principal and asst. principal are not present. It is chaparoned by unbiased teachers. The homecoming should start being the same way as it seems like the administrators are the majority of the problem. Lighten up Wray and Honeycutt. The kids could be drunk, on drugs and pregnant like they are at other schools. Be glad that all they are doing is trying to have a little fun dancing.
      And to those of you who have no first hand knowledge about what really happened please keep you comments to yourself. You really have no idea.

      • After I read my posting I feel like I came across a little harsh (sorry Mr. Wray and Mr. Honeycutt). I would like to add that although I do not agree with them on how the homecoming dancing situation was handled I do have the utmost respect for them and the job they do at the high school. I am glad they are strict and expect a lot out of our children. I truly feel that their conservative and strict disciplinary policies, along with the student's parents is the reason why Tipp students are extremely responsible, respectful, and hard working kids. I would love a compromise to be reached between the students and school officials and at the very least some specific guidelines involved as to what is appropriate and inappropriate dancing per "Tipp City Schools Standards". Then kids it will be up to you to understand those rules (no matter if you agree or disagree with them) and respect them. If they are clear and you still break them then you deserve to be asked to leave the dance. If you don't feel like you can adhere to the rules then don't come to the dance.

        • "The kids could be drunk, on drugs and pregnant like they are at other schools. Be glad that all they are doing is trying to have a little fun dancing."

          Your statement simply isn't valid. They were drunk at the after parties. No comment on the drugs. And it would be inappropriate to name names or list numbers, but there ARE (and always have been) pregnant girls enrolled at THS. In many ways, Tipp is a bubble. It is not, however, the completely sheltered environment you're making it out to be. Tipp kids have always gotten into trouble. We're just better at brushing it under the carpet than other districts.

          Your second comment makes complete sense. A compromise would be an ideal situation, and it sounds from the Superintendent's statements that Student Senate will be involved in establishment of the standards.

        • “The kids could be drunk, on drugs and pregnant like they are at other schools. Be glad that all they are doing is trying to have a little fun dancing.”

          Your statement simply isn’t valid. They were drunk at the after parties. No comment on the drugs. And it would be inappropriate to name names or list numbers, but there ARE (and always have been) pregnant girls enrolled at THS. In many ways, Tipp is a bubble. It is not, however, the completely sheltered environment you’re making it out to be. Tipp kids have always gotten into trouble. We’re just better at brushing it under the carpet than other districts.

          Your second comment makes complete sense. A compromise would be an ideal situation, and it sounds from the Superintendent’s statements that Student Senate will be involved in establishment of the standards.

        • “The kids could be drunk, on drugs and pregnant like they are at other schools. Be glad that all they are doing is trying to have a little fun dancing.”

          Your statement simply isn’t valid. They were drunk at the after parties. No comment on the drugs. And it would be inappropriate to name names or list numbers, but there ARE (and always have been) pregnant girls enrolled at THS. In many ways, Tipp is a bubble. It is not, however, the completely sheltered environment you’re making it out to be. Tipp kids have always gotten into trouble. We’re just better at brushing it under the carpet than other districts.

          Your second comment makes complete sense. A compromise would be an ideal situation, and it sounds from the Superintendent’s statements that Student Senate will be involved in establishment of the standards.

      • Mr. Wray was at my prom. Prom is also usually held in a larger, well-lit venue. That may lead to students being more respectful of the situation. The Homecoming dances have always taken place in the gym with very low lighting. I remember thinking it was crazy to spend so much on a dress, hairstyle, etc. when no one could even see it!

      • Mr. Wray was at my prom. Prom is also usually held in a larger, well-lit venue. That may lead to students being more respectful of the situation. The Homecoming dances have always taken place in the gym with very low lighting. I remember thinking it was crazy to spend so much on a dress, hairstyle, etc. when no one could even see it!

      • Mr. Wray was at my prom. Prom is also usually held in a larger, well-lit venue. That may lead to students being more respectful of the situation. The Homecoming dances have always taken place in the gym with very low lighting. I remember thinking it was crazy to spend so much on a dress, hairstyle, etc. when no one could even see it!

    • How easy it must be to make all of these assumptions when you don't actually know the whole story! And if you have young children yet to get to school, I hope when they come of age.. you will able to do everything you discuss is a parent's responsibility. But how dare you judge other parents and blame them for their kid's "inappropriate" behavior. And for that matter, how can you assume you know of the behavior if you didn't see it firsthand?

  32. Thanks Jules. If you begin to take responsibility for your children, it won't be the school's job to discipline your child. Quit blaming the school for your lack of guts! Do your job parents and quit hovering over your child. I

  33. Hey Lee,

    My response really has nothing to do with the kids. It has everything to do with the adults (parents). If the adults raise their kids so that they never make a mistake, what are we teaching the kids? I can do anything I want because Mommy and Daddy will blame the teacher, coach, principal, employer, etc. We need to get a grip on this problem in Tipp City because it has gotten way out of control.

    • You can't completely blame the students for this. I am a 2010 graduate, and I feel their pain in this situation. But, Wray and Honeycutt aren't completely at fault either. I have attended the last 4 years of high school dances, and I myself have participated in this HORRIBLE grinding. All. Four. Years. This years Seniors kicked out for the same exact dancing they had been doing for the last three years, way to prove your point, Wray. But I digress. Grinding can be disgusting if it is just out of control, but there is what I believe appropriate ways to grind. The fact of the matter is, is it's not the 50's anymore. The music is different, the clothes are different, you HAVE to assume the dancing will be different also. Students hopefully aren't expected to stand face to face not touching each other just bobbing around. Frankly, IT'S NOT COOL. Plain and simple, that is phased out, and has been for such a long time. Which is why I myself was so peeved when I heard about the situation that occurred. Pre-warned or not, "inappropriate" is an incredibly vague word. Your argument may be, "Student's should KNOW what they are getting at by saying inappropriate." but my rebuttle to that would be, no. We have heard for YEARS "don't dance inappropriately." but the grinding went on. Which is why I feel SO badly for this year's Seniors! You may disagree with me, but it DOES need to be spelled out. WORD. FOR. WORD. It is just so typical in my eyes that the faculty played step around the burning fire with a bucket of water for so many years, and then pulled this move. I think it is a great example of what the word "Inappropriate" means, considering how the night was handled.

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  35. Here is my comment to Madparent. I mean all respect honestly. I'm a student (who was not kicked out btw) and I just want you to think about your statement about getting "an extra hour to do whatever they want." If some of my peers wanted to go smoke a joint or have sex in the car, they would have done it anyway. There is no monitering on who is at the dance or who is leaving. Now manybe that is the problem, but that is not the point. The point is Mr. Wray and Mr. Honeycutt were trying to do what they thought best. Lighten up. Maybe they are not perfect, but I would like to see you take their job before you judge. And just so you know, those of us who remained at the dance had one of the best dances of our high school careers. I really am not trying to fight with you here, but I would just like to let you have a little bit of perspective.

  36. well as a freshamn and having this be my first homecoming ever…i thought it was pretty gay that half my friends were thrown out for doing absolutely nothing wrong! my friends even left just because it got lame! now i dont want to make the people in charge at fault because kids should be able to express themselves any-which way they want…whether its through dance, speech, or religion…some kids who did NOTHING got thrown out for just being next to people who were dancing..i mean its not that there wasnt "inappropiate" dancing going on. because there was some but to have the freshmen's first school dance to be a total drag….c'mon people.

  37. These kids knew what behavior was expected of them – the administration announced their expectations to the student body many times prior to the dance. Last year, one of the dances ended early for the very same reason. So it shouldn’t have been a surprise to any of us that there were consequences to the inappropriate behavior of these 40 students. It seems that we, as the adults of Tipp City, have , in large part, let our kids down. Where have we taught them to respect adults/authority? All we seem to do is make excuses for the behavior of our disrespectful children….and most of them are still “children”. Certainly, if they are out “clubbing” they can dance anyway they wish, but at Homecoming – at our public high school – the students have rules. So what was wrong with following the rules as they have been set forth? Once again, it seems it’s the adults that have the problem …. the kids know that whatever their behavior, we’ll justify it one way or another. I agree with others… just wait until your kids leave the Tipp City bubble.

    • We did not know what was expected of us. We were told not to dance innapropriately, but were we told what was considere innapropriate and what was not? No. We weren't.
      And last year, none of the dances were asked to end for the same reason. I was at them all. This year was the only year, and personally, I find that it was stupid. What do you expect us to dance like when we've been raised around hip-hop and grinding? That's all we've ever known. And honestly, it's not like the school district is going to manage to make us square dance or anything like that. No one would show up to a dance like that.
      I feel like the school (teachers and students both) and the parents should just let it go. Who cares. Homecoming is over. Just let it go.

  38. These kids knew what behavior was expected of them – the administration announced their expectations to the student body many times prior to the dance. Last year, one of the dances ended early for the very same reason. So it shouldn’t have been a surprise to any of us that there were consequences to the inappropriate behavior of these 40 students. It seems that we, as the adults of Tipp City, have , in large part, let our kids down. Where have we taught them to respect adults/authority? All we seem to do is make excuses for the behavior of our disrespectful children….and most of them are still “children”. Certainly, if they are out “clubbing” they can dance anyway they wish, but at Homecoming – at our public high school – the students have rules. So what was wrong with following the rules as they have been set forth? Once again, it seems it’s the adults that have the problem …. the kids know that whatever their behavior, we’ll justify it one way or another. I agree with others… just wait until your kids leave the Tipp City bubble.

  39. Apparently announcements were made all week letting students know that if they were dancing "inappropriately" they would be asked to leave. My question is…what constitues inappropriate dance? Were the students given guidelines? Mr. Wray's perception of what is or isn't inappropriate may not be the same as mine. Was it any different than our generations style of "dirty dance?" Please…let these kids have some fun!! They get 2 or 3 opportunities all school year to come together in a safe environment and dance…be that your perception of dirty dancing or not. These students worked so hard to put this dance together, they looked forward to it, they bought dresses and had their hair done, bought flowers and dinner…I think it's a shame it was cut short. I think this went way over the top on the part of the administration. And rumor has it Mr. Wray and Mr. Honeycutt were high-fiving each other as the majority of the students were leaving. Did you REALLY get what you wanted??

    • I am also a parent and i have 2 girls i would not expect my girls to disrespect themselves to the point they grind on a guys leg. They want to get all fixed up to go to a dance to have a good time and they can do it without sexual dancing. If you were having a party at your house would you allow the behavior to be tolerated.All i can say is i hope none of the girls become teenage moms 9 months from now

    • I am also a parent and i have 2 girls i would not expect my girls to disrespect themselves to the point they grind on a guys leg. They want to get all fixed up to go to a dance to have a good time and they can do it without sexual dancing. If you were having a party at your house would you allow the behavior to be tolerated.All i can say is i hope none of the girls become teenage moms 9 months from now

  40. Apparently announcements were made all week letting students know that if they were dancing “inappropriately” they would be asked to leave. My question is…what constitues inappropriate dance? Were the students given guidelines? Mr. Wray’s perception of what is or isn’t inappropriate may not be the same as mine. Was it any different than our generations style of “dirty dance?” Please…let these kids have some fun!! They get 2 or 3 opportunities all school year to come together in a safe environment and dance…be that your perception of dirty dancing or not. These students worked so hard to put this dance together, they looked forward to it, they bought dresses and had their hair done, bought flowers and dinner…I think it’s a shame it was cut short. I think this went way over the top on the part of the administration. And rumor has it Mr. Wray and Mr. Honeycutt were high-fiving each other as the majority of the students were leaving. Did you REALLY get what you wanted??

  41. to bad the one call played off the facts and they dont understand the everyone wasted there time and money for this shit. girls spent more time in hair places then on the dance floor. homecomin fail, after parties for the win

  42. So as parents its our job to say what inappropriate for our children. There maybe able to control the "school environment" but we as parents control our community. My child was not ejected. If its important enough that 80% of the high school left due to the fact that they wanted to protest then there's a problem. Every generation is the same blame the kids. then years later we find out that the adults was molesting kids or just bulling kids. I had a single mom and was bullied by teachers and principals in precious little Tipp City. I a grown man now i won't be bullied. Lets give our kids some credit some will be in college next year making decisions of there life. This is only some facility but 80% of the student body there"s a problem. I am back in college to be a child advocate because we defiantly need them. Lets look at the facts in a city council meeting majority rules but i guess that don't apply when your a child your just a sheep to do as your told and keep your mouth shut thats not the way i want my kids to be. I have taught them right is right and wrong is wrong no matter the age, race, or gender.

  43. This must be an all time record for the number of hits on this web site today! Too bad is takes a "situation" to get people involved. 🙂

  44. So here's what I think…
    Every year there will be new dances and every year there will be something inappropriate. At one time girls were severely punished for wearing SKIRTS ABOVE THEIR ANKLES then over time that has gone away and now shorts, and shorter skirts, and jeans are a part of our normal life and culture. Then it was inappropriate for girls to put their hands above their heads, or for a guy to put his hands on a girls hips. Grinding is now considered inappropriate, but it is just a phase. I will eventually change or die out. SO LET THE STUDENTS ENJOY THEIR SCHOOL DANCES AND ONLY KICK OUT THE VERY INAPROPRIATE STUDENTS. by kicking many students out they only caused more students to misbehave out of anger. So they just made a small issue HUGE.
    and now everyone is going somewhere else for turnabout. so in how they acted they just lost most of their turnabout sales.
    they brought it on themselves.

    • i agree with you but to address the sales comment at the end. the school didnt lose turnabout sales, student senate did. The dances are student senate organized. They get their funding through dances and now they cant afford to put on another dance or not to put one on because they would lose money either way. this is going to affect the student body in more ways than just the dances since student senate funds a majority of student activities throughout the year

    • i agree with you but to address the sales comment at the end. the school didnt lose turnabout sales, student senate did. The dances are student senate organized. They get their funding through dances and now they cant afford to put on another dance or not to put one on because they would lose money either way. this is going to affect the student body in more ways than just the dances since student senate funds a majority of student activities throughout the year

      • Student senate plans for, sets up for, cleans up for, and anything in between with help from other THS student volunteers. Money doesn't go into their pockets, it's used for a few meals after the longer work weekends (you really think they get paid?). Pretty much the rest of the money is used for wellness week, and if you don't know what that is you can figure it out yourself.

    • i agree with you but to address the sales comment at the end. the school didnt lose turnabout sales, student senate did. The dances are student senate organized. They get their funding through dances and now they cant afford to put on another dance or not to put one on because they would lose money either way. this is going to affect the student body in more ways than just the dances since student senate funds a majority of student activities throughout the year

    • i agree with you but to address the sales comment at the end. the school didnt lose turnabout sales, student senate did. The dances are student senate organized. They get their funding through dances and now they cant afford to put on another dance or not to put one on because they would lose money either way. this is going to affect the student body in more ways than just the dances since student senate funds a majority of student activities throughout the year

  45. I have had students in Tipp High School for the past ten years. I can confirm that grinding has been going on at every Tipp School Dance for the past 10 years – and probably longer. If we are to believe the “authorities” that were present at this year’s homecoming dance – by their actions – the dancing was much worse than “usual.” If we are to believe the students that were present (what I have personally heard them say) – there was nothing worse or different happening at this homecoming than any other dance they have attended.
    I am one that believes rules are rules. If you don’t like them – go thru the appropriate channels to get them changed; don’t participate; or shut up and follow them. HOWEVER… rules can only be followed if there is a clear understanding of the expectations by all parties involved. Yes… announcements were made before the dance and at the dance that inappropriate dancing would not be tolerated and needed to stop – but what exactly is inappropriate dancing? “Dance like your Grandma is watching” – does that mean the same thing to everyone? Even adults don’t agree on what is appropriate. To many it seems obvious, but we are all different – and teenagers see things quite differently as well. Many students believe there is nothing wrong with grinding and that nothing out of the ordinary was going on at the dance. We cannot come to any conclusions based on what authorities say they said to the students – we must also ask the students what they heard and what they interpreted inappropriate to mean. Communication is a huge problem in every aspect of our lives. One teacher told a class on Monday – “what do we have to do? Spell it out – No Grinding!” ……. YES! ABSOLUTELY! (I can’t even believe this person is a teacher) …..inappropriate is a very subjective term.
    I’m certain that I would have thought the dancing was inappropriate – just like it was ten years ago. But do I think it was worse this year than others — probably not. Was the situation handled appropriately – absolutely not. Change the music, turn it off, turn on the lights…. We don’t need many angry teenagers out on the roads doing who knows what. ***By the way the large group of students that left or were asked to leave the dance went to a safe location to finish the dance. They were supervised… there was no sex, drugs, alcohol, unruly behavior …. Just many school friends having a great time and will now have fond memories to last a lifetime. Thanks to the parents that allowed this to happen on their property.
    The school was asking for problems with their actions and thankfully dodged a big bullet in that no one was seriously injured (or worse) as a result of their decision. And, that Sunday call came about 14 hours too late. I was responsibly notified by my “child” immediately about what had happened at the school, where they were going and exactly what was going on. These kids are not irresponsible rebels that left the dance. As for this problem: Make the rules clear – show pictures, videos, whatever it takes. Have students sign a contract stating exactly what is inappropriate. There can’t be some grinding that is ok, and some that is not; some years that it is ok, and some that it is not. The same rules have to apply to all – even the chosen favorites.

  46. I have had students in Tipp High School for the past ten years. I can confirm that grinding has been going on at every Tipp School Dance for the past 10 years – and probably longer. If we are to believe the “authorities” that were present at this year’s homecoming dance – by their actions – the dancing was much worse than “usual.” If we are to believe the students that were present (what I have personally heard them say) – there was nothing worse or different happening at this homecoming than any other dance they have attended.
    I am one that believes rules are rules. If you don’t like them – go thru the appropriate channels to get them changed; don’t participate; or shut up and follow them. HOWEVER… rules can only be followed if there is a clear understanding of the expectations by all parties involved. Yes… announcements were made before the dance and at the dance that inappropriate dancing would not be tolerated and needed to stop – but what exactly is inappropriate dancing? “Dance like your Grandma is watching” – does that mean the same thing to everyone? Even adults don’t agree on what is appropriate. To many it seems obvious, but we are all different – and teenagers see things quite differently as well. Many students believe there is nothing wrong with grinding and that nothing out of the ordinary was going on at the dance. We cannot come to any conclusions based on what authorities say they said to the students – we must also ask the students what they heard and what they interpreted inappropriate to mean. Communication is a huge problem in every aspect of our lives. One teacher told a class on Monday – “what do we have to do? Spell it out – No Grinding!” ……. YES! ABSOLUTELY! (I can’t even believe this person is a teacher) …..inappropriate is a very subjective term.
    I’m certain that I would have thought the dancing was inappropriate – just like it was ten years ago. But do I think it was worse this year than others — probably not. Was the situation handled appropriately – absolutely not. Change the music, turn it off, turn on the lights…. We don’t need many angry teenagers out on the roads doing who knows what. ***By the way the large group of students that left or were asked to leave the dance went to a safe location to finish the dance. They were supervised… there was no sex, drugs, alcohol, unruly behavior …. Just many school friends having a great time and will now have fond memories to last a lifetime. Thanks to the parents that allowed this to happen on their property.
    The school was asking for problems with their actions and thankfully dodged a big bullet in that no one was seriously injured (or worse) as a result of their decision. And, that Sunday call came about 14 hours too late. I was responsibly notified by my “child” immediately about what had happened at the school, where they were going and exactly what was going on. These kids are not irresponsible rebels that left the dance. As for this problem: Make the rules clear – show pictures, videos, whatever it takes. Have students sign a contract stating exactly what is inappropriate. There can’t be some grinding that is ok, and some that is not; some years that it is ok, and some that it is not. The same rules have to apply to all – even the chosen favorites.

  47. Interesting article. I question the truthfulness of the comments by the administration including Dr. Kronour's "stint" as "Superintendent" at Oakwood….I believe he held the Principal's position at the Jr. High in Oakwood before coming to Tipp City. If the administration decided it was going to crack down on the "dirty dancing", they should have censored the music commonly associated with this act as well as clarified with the student body the dance floor moves that are acceptable and those that are not.

    • My apologies for the typo, you are correct Dr. Kronour was the Principal while at Oakwood Jr. High, not the Superintendent of Oakwood schools. That was my error, not a misstatement by Dr. Kronour.

    • that's what one of my kids said – what did they expect playing a song that contains lyrics that are explicitly sexual? not that i agree with their viewpoint, but it does seem that the music should be sorted through a little more carefully.

  48. I think it safe to say we can all agree to disagree on this subject. Many of us are siding with our children who I might add were responsible enough to make contact with a parent and arrange a safe environment to continue what some consider inappropriate behavior. That speaks volumes about those students. They decided they were being treated unfairly and that the "adults" in charge needed a "time out" and therefore needed to remove themselves from the situation. In my opinion these "children" became the more mature parties of those involved. They understood the consequences they would suffer and thus decided to just walk away. Isn't that one of the things we "teach" our children? Many parents do not agree with the decision they made and that is your right. To those students who stayed behind and finished the traditional dance…great…your decision and you had a great time and will have fond memories as well. We don't judge you for staying so don't judge those who made the decision to leave. Some of you have made comments about our parenting skills (or lack thereof), but when you are faced with a choice that needs to be made in a split second you have to do the best you can with the facts you have…thankfully the parents who were called did just that. It did all turn out for the best, but it may have been an entirely different scene. We are always telling our children to take a time out…we've been giving it to them since they were old enough to understand how to sit still for a few minutes. My question to the administrators and educators at the event is this; why were these children not removed from the gym and brought into the commons and allowed to have a few minutes to calm down and make a decision instead of being told to leave immediately and some were, as I understand from more than one person, escorted to the door without being given the opportunity to gather all their belongings. As parents who have been involved with after prom…we never let a student leave the event whether by choice or necessity without making contact with a parent…we deserve or should expect nothing less from our schools and faculty. Everyone keeps saying how the students had been "warned" all week long and at the beginning of the dance what would happen if inappropriate dancing was taking place. Were they warned…or were they dared? If you have a teenager or if you have ever been one…you should know that when they are pushed they push back…it's a defense mechanism. I firmly believe we have great kids in Tipp City…we are no different than any other community; we have a small group who will always "buck the system" but for the most part we have children who want to be respected and want to respect others. As I said in the beginning of my comment, let's just agree to disagree and stop the name calling and judging. This incident has done some good…it's gotten parents talking to their children, and helping them make decisions to do what is best for them. This will seem like such a minor event in a few years, and in a few years when all of the current high school students have moved on to the next phase of their lives, there will be new high school students doing other things in school at sporting events and yes even at the dances. My hope is because of this incident, our teachers, principals and superintendants will have learned a better way to handle these situations and if ever posed with a similar situation will make a better choice. Let's move forward with a lesson learned on both sides. Let's continue talking to our children and keep the lines of communication open between all involved. One last thing…Thank you so much to the parents who opened their home to our children and for those parents who showed up to help chaperone. Thank you for keeping them safe and allowing them to have a good time. Thank you to the faculty who stayed at the school with the students who decided to stay at the school. Thank you for keeping them safe and allowing them to continue their evening as well.

  49. I think it safe to say we can all agree to disagree on this subject. Many of us are siding with our children who I might add were responsible enough to make contact with a parent and arrange a safe environment to continue what some consider inappropriate behavior. That speaks volumes about those students. They decided they were being treated unfairly and that the “adults” in charge needed a “time out” and therefore needed to remove themselves from the situation. In my opinion these “children” became the more mature parties of those involved. They understood the consequences they would suffer and thus decided to just walk away. Isn’t that one of the things we “teach” our children? Many parents do not agree with the decision they made and that is your right. To those students who stayed behind and finished the traditional dance…great…your decision and you had a great time and will have fond memories as well. We don’t judge you for staying so don’t judge those who made the decision to leave. Some of you have made comments about our parenting skills (or lack thereof), but when you are faced with a choice that needs to be made in a split second you have to do the best you can with the facts you have…thankfully the parents who were called did just that. It did all turn out for the best, but it may have been an entirely different scene. We are always telling our children to take a time out…we’ve been giving it to them since they were old enough to understand how to sit still for a few minutes. My question to the administrators and educators at the event is this; why were these children not removed from the gym and brought into the commons and allowed to have a few minutes to calm down and make a decision instead of being told to leave immediately and some were, as I understand from more than one person, escorted to the door without being given the opportunity to gather all their belongings. As parents who have been involved with after prom…we never let a student leave the event whether by choice or necessity without making contact with a parent…we deserve or should expect nothing less from our schools and faculty. Everyone keeps saying how the students had been “warned” all week long and at the beginning of the dance what would happen if inappropriate dancing was taking place. Were they warned…or were they dared? If you have a teenager or if you have ever been one…you should know that when they are pushed they push back…it’s a defense mechanism. I firmly believe we have great kids in Tipp City…we are no different than any other community; we have a small group who will always “buck the system” but for the most part we have children who want to be respected and want to respect others. As I said in the beginning of my comment, let’s just agree to disagree and stop the name calling and judging. This incident has done some good…it’s gotten parents talking to their children, and helping them make decisions to do what is best for them. This will seem like such a minor event in a few years, and in a few years when all of the current high school students have moved on to the next phase of their lives, there will be new high school students doing other things in school at sporting events and yes even at the dances. My hope is because of this incident, our teachers, principals and superintendants will have learned a better way to handle these situations and if ever posed with a similar situation will make a better choice. Let’s move forward with a lesson learned on both sides. Let’s continue talking to our children and keep the lines of communication open between all involved. One last thing…Thank you so much to the parents who opened their home to our children and for those parents who showed up to help chaperone. Thank you for keeping them safe and allowing them to have a good time. Thank you to the faculty who stayed at the school with the students who decided to stay at the school. Thank you for keeping them safe and allowing them to continue their evening as well.

  50. I think it safe to say we can all agree to disagree on this subject. Many of us are siding with our children who I might add were responsible enough to make contact with a parent and arrange a safe environment to continue what some consider inappropriate behavior. That speaks volumes about those students. They decided they were being treated unfairly and that the “adults” in charge needed a “time out” and therefore needed to remove themselves from the situation. In my opinion these “children” became the more mature parties of those involved. They understood the consequences they would suffer and thus decided to just walk away. Isn’t that one of the things we “teach” our children? Many parents do not agree with the decision they made and that is your right. To those students who stayed behind and finished the traditional dance…great…your decision and you had a great time and will have fond memories as well. We don’t judge you for staying so don’t judge those who made the decision to leave. Some of you have made comments about our parenting skills (or lack thereof), but when you are faced with a choice that needs to be made in a split second you have to do the best you can with the facts you have…thankfully the parents who were called did just that. It did all turn out for the best, but it may have been an entirely different scene. We are always telling our children to take a time out…we’ve been giving it to them since they were old enough to understand how to sit still for a few minutes. My question to the administrators and educators at the event is this; why were these children not removed from the gym and brought into the commons and allowed to have a few minutes to calm down and make a decision instead of being told to leave immediately and some were, as I understand from more than one person, escorted to the door without being given the opportunity to gather all their belongings. As parents who have been involved with after prom…we never let a student leave the event whether by choice or necessity without making contact with a parent…we deserve or should expect nothing less from our schools and faculty. Everyone keeps saying how the students had been “warned” all week long and at the beginning of the dance what would happen if inappropriate dancing was taking place. Were they warned…or were they dared? If you have a teenager or if you have ever been one…you should know that when they are pushed they push back…it’s a defense mechanism. I firmly believe we have great kids in Tipp City…we are no different than any other community; we have a small group who will always “buck the system” but for the most part we have children who want to be respected and want to respect others. As I said in the beginning of my comment, let’s just agree to disagree and stop the name calling and judging. This incident has done some good…it’s gotten parents talking to their children, and helping them make decisions to do what is best for them. This will seem like such a minor event in a few years, and in a few years when all of the current high school students have moved on to the next phase of their lives, there will be new high school students doing other things in school at sporting events and yes even at the dances. My hope is because of this incident, our teachers, principals and superintendants will have learned a better way to handle these situations and if ever posed with a similar situation will make a better choice. Let’s move forward with a lesson learned on both sides. Let’s continue talking to our children and keep the lines of communication open between all involved. One last thing…Thank you so much to the parents who opened their home to our children and for those parents who showed up to help chaperone. Thank you for keeping them safe and allowing them to have a good time. Thank you to the faculty who stayed at the school with the students who decided to stay at the school. Thank you for keeping them safe and allowing them to continue their evening as well.

  51. I think it safe to say we can all agree to disagree on this subject. Many of us are siding with our children who I might add were responsible enough to make contact with a parent and arrange a safe environment to continue what some consider inappropriate behavior. That speaks volumes about those students. They decided they were being treated unfairly and that the “adults” in charge needed a “time out” and therefore needed to remove themselves from the situation. In my opinion these “children” became the more mature parties of those involved. They understood the consequences they would suffer and thus decided to just walk away. Isn’t that one of the things we “teach” our children? Many parents do not agree with the decision they made and that is your right. To those students who stayed behind and finished the traditional dance…great…your decision and you had a great time and will have fond memories as well. We don’t judge you for staying so don’t judge those who made the decision to leave. Some of you have made comments about our parenting skills (or lack thereof), but when you are faced with a choice that needs to be made in a split second you have to do the best you can with the facts you have…thankfully the parents who were called did just that. It did all turn out for the best, but it may have been an entirely different scene. We are always telling our children to take a time out…we’ve been giving it to them since they were old enough to understand how to sit still for a few minutes. My question to the administrators and educators at the event is this; why were these children not removed from the gym and brought into the commons and allowed to have a few minutes to calm down and make a decision instead of being told to leave immediately and some were, as I understand from more than one person, escorted to the door without being given the opportunity to gather all their belongings. As parents who have been involved with after prom…we never let a student leave the event whether by choice or necessity without making contact with a parent…we deserve or should expect nothing less from our schools and faculty. Everyone keeps saying how the students had been “warned” all week long and at the beginning of the dance what would happen if inappropriate dancing was taking place. Were they warned…or were they dared? If you have a teenager or if you have ever been one…you should know that when they are pushed they push back…it’s a defense mechanism. I firmly believe we have great kids in Tipp City…we are no different than any other community; we have a small group who will always “buck the system” but for the most part we have children who want to be respected and want to respect others. As I said in the beginning of my comment, let’s just agree to disagree and stop the name calling and judging. This incident has done some good…it’s gotten parents talking to their children, and helping them make decisions to do what is best for them. This will seem like such a minor event in a few years, and in a few years when all of the current high school students have moved on to the next phase of their lives, there will be new high school students doing other things in school at sporting events and yes even at the dances. My hope is because of this incident, our teachers, principals and superintendants will have learned a better way to handle these situations and if ever posed with a similar situation will make a better choice. Let’s move forward with a lesson learned on both sides. Let’s continue talking to our children and keep the lines of communication open between all involved. One last thing…Thank you so much to the parents who opened their home to our children and for those parents who showed up to help chaperone. Thank you for keeping them safe and allowing them to have a good time. Thank you to the faculty who stayed at the school with the students who decided to stay at the school. Thank you for keeping them safe and allowing them to continue their evening as well.

  52. Although generational gaps have always been around I must say that the generation raised on MTV and the like are pretty far gone. Grinding is pretty much like having sex with your clothes on. I cant imagine too many parents if they actually spent time watching their daughters (and sons) dance in this manner would find it appropriate, certainly not in high school. Girls look like they are getting "sexed" from behind and worse. Now most of these kids are not bad kids. Personally, as much as I want my daughter to grow up happy and enjoy sex down the road, sex-potting it up at the school dance is not what I had in mind. I believe in respecting yourself girls and commanding respect from the boys…in the big picture it works out alot more in your favor. There is still alot of wild dancing you can do even when you tone it down. Again, I cant see too many fathers watching their daughters being "grinded" from behind and liking it. My guess would be that most kids would no longer be going to dances per their fathers…LOL….and that is how it should be.

  53. Grinding when dancing is what kids of this age has been subjected to by the media. It's not new to them. It's new to parents of a certain age and some of the administrators. Turn on the tv and watch a few music videos or some of the movies that are out there now. This is the norm for teens. While I, as a parent, wouldn't be comfortable dancing in such a way, the kids only see it as DANCING. Nothing more. Times are changing and while for some it's not seen as a positive change, it is the way our society is going. This didn't all start at a Homecoming Dance. I agree that it's better to be grinding at a school controlled function than to be turned loose to go wherever. Mr. Wray and Mr. Honeycutt need to learn to pick their battles.(Can anyone say yoga pants)

  54. I am tired of hearing how the students are the victims here. Most of these kids have had cell phones since they were in 1st grade. They know how to use them and should be responsible enough to let their parents know they were ejected from the dance (or left on their own), perhaps they chose not to. Borrow someone's if need be. These people are high school students, they chose to do something they were told not to do. In a school, certain behavior is expected, as a parent you should expect the same or perhaps your behavior in public is questionable as well? As a taxpayer, I am tired of school teachers, administrators or even police officers having to baby sit kids that can't properly behave in public. Perhaps the next dance should be canceled and yes, blame the students that couldn't listen!

  55. Has anyone addressed why the pre-dance annoucements during the week and then at the start of the dance were given? Knowing how things work, I have to believe complaints were received from parents by the school administration prior to the dance. If dancing like this occurred in the past with no warnings or ejections, why now? Someone from outside the school administration had to have raised a concern.

  56. I know for a fact that our school system is not the worst one out there we have two nieces that go to Northridge High School and there are pictures of their students with dresses pulled up and grinding our students are not bad children and like my daughter told me her principle never stated what was inappropriate to him and when he started throwing people out it wasn't privately pulled to the side at all

  57. yes lets stop our kids from doing what they will have absolutley every legal right to do in about 2 years on avrg (clubbing, since most grinding is honestly done by more mature students ex Juniors Seniors yeah sophmores too). what a great memory ill be able to share with my children, ill look back and laugh for sure infact im proud to say i got kicked out and i always will be, i have the right to express myself in any which way i like in the real world. i know this may not be so for the little bubble of tipp city, and i can accept that for the time being, but im gettin older, more mature, and more ellidgible for things i want to do, growing up is a part of life you may not control personality and ambitions. guess what folks your kids are growing up, and they just so happen to grow up in this environment and music era and mainstream ideals. yoour a little to late to impose your rules upon us, i've been to the dances the last 3 years and guess what i did, i grinded cause thats the way it is, or was. an you know what im gonna do when i turn 18? im gonna grind at some club. thank your televsions and radios and modern artists for teaching your children how to express themselves, parents are not to blame, its just the nature of the next generation. kids grow up, and parents should too, welcome your future and express yourself

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